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Urbit

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 14:20

This guy made a distributed operating system: https://github.com/urbit/urbit

Or at least, I think that's what's going on here, because he's all full of mysticism and goes on and on about traditions and instincts. Meanwhile I can't understand half a word of his sparsely documented source code. The language he made up seems to borrow all the worst parts of Befunge and APL, and even his C is kind of obfuscated. It's like trying to read a newspaper in Hmoob.

Am I just too intellectual to understand reality? Is my brain poisoned by the academic ivory tower's harmful theoretical concepts, /prog/? How can I ever unlearn the toxic ability to think?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 14:34

I knew I heard the name Urbit in the past already. Turns out I did so from Stanislav.

loper-os.org/?p=1390

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 14:57

>>2
is he that nutty bitcoins crackpot?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 16:08

>>3
He's the Loper OS guy. He's pretty much trying to bring back Lisp machines, and writes a lot of stuff about how our current computing paradigm is poisoned at the root. I don't know anything about his alleged involvement with bitcoins.

Also, I found some of the documentation for Hoon: http://doc.urbit.org/doc/hoon/tut/1/

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 16:26

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 17:33

>>4

He's pretty much trying to bring back Lisp machines
Then why is his code all C/C++?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 17:57

mysticism
Using that word wrong, you ignorant close-minded fool. I didn't see anything on that page that would qualify as genuine mysticism or the pseudo-negative version you new-atheists cook up in your imagination. Is it that quote? Of course you wouldn't know who the fuck Borges is because you don't know anything that isn't spoon fed to you through the science channel.

coding
ninja
chatting
I don't think so, fuck this urbit shit.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:01

>>6
Stanislav (Loper OS) is trying to recreate Lisp machines starting with his own dataflow processor design. He totally rejects the utility of anything built on top of the current standard von Neumann architecture.

Curtis Yarvin (Urbit) believes he can create his vision for a new computing platform as an abstraction on top of the existing hardware, and as part of that, he's writing a lot of code in C to "emulate" the new platform on current machines.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:04

>>8
Yarvin
Shalom Aleykhem!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AStanis%C5%82aw_Lem#Jewish_ethnicity
Is it a taboo that Lem was ethnically Jewish? You keep removing references to this fact, while his "having been raised Catholic", which is completely unsupported by his own interviews, is tenaciously left in main text. Here's what he says in an interview:

Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:23

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:24

The C part of code reminds me of Miniflex JavaScript AI.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:26

techcrunch.com/2013/11/22/geeks-for-monarchy/

Actual progress in the technology world (and for it also to be just a ``world'' and not an industry, commodification is bad for genuine progress) would be it going back to what it used to be. No pseudo-intellectualism, no faggot nut bloggers, and no political bullshit. Just hackers, scientists, and the military.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 18:59

>>13
no political bullshit
scientists

I've bad news for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 19:07

>>14
Yes, yes, carbon dioxide is evil. Even though water vapors are the main greenhouse gas and human activity doesn't affect water evaporation and condensation, we still must cut down carbon dioxide emissions, because... well, because it's just evil! And never mind that plants actually require CO2 for photosynthesis, making it necessary for the existence of life! Carbon. Dioxide. Is. Evil. And don't even think about asking why, just decrease your carbon emissions because that's really the world's biggest ecological problem right now!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 20:36

>>15
Even if water vapors make up about 60% of greenhouse gases, a measly 20% of a fuckload million tons of greenhouse gases is still a lot. Jews can cut down on their carbon dioxide emissions, but it's pretty damn hard to do the same for fucking water.

Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 20:44

>>16
Shalom!
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-23 23:26

>>17
Shalom!
Shalom!
Shalom!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 7:32

I highly doubt that GMP is a good and efficient way to represent any kind of atom. Moreover, I complain that injudicious use of GMP makes Scheme and Haskell slow as they today, compared to C# and Java, which exclusively use fixnums.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 7:53

>>19
Haskell is about as fast as Java even though it uses GMP.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 8:06

>>20

Haskell is slow and leaks memory. GHC's inefficient stop-the-world GC does not scale. Despite being statically typed, Haskell can't deliver the bare metal speed, with typical Haskell code being 30x to 200x times slower than C/C++ (http://honza.ca/2012/10/haskell-strings http://www.mail-archive.com/haskell-cafe%40haskell.org/msg25645.html). A good understanding of evaluation order is very important for writing practical programs. People using Haskell often have no idea how evaluation affects the efficiency. It is no coincidence that Haskell programmers end up floundering around with space and time leaks that they do not understand. Functions take time to complete and debugging for time leaks is much more difficult than to debug for type errors. "The next Haskell will be strict." -- Simon Peyton-Jones

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 9:27

>>21
People using Haskell often have no idea how evaluation affects the efficiency.
How can you complain about inefficient code written by people who don't have a good understanding of the language?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 10:18

>>22
How can you reply seriously to old kopipe?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 10:19

>>22
Because the whole responsibility for it is with the language, not the programmer. C has an evaluation model that human beings can understand. Haskell does not.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:01

>>23

implying "old = not true"

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:06

>>25
implying
ROFL EPIC MEME /B/RO XDDDD

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:23

>>26

implying that pointing the usage of a supposed "meme" in an argument refutes the argument

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:24

>>27
I'm not >>23 you meme spewing monkey.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:26

>>28

implying "implying" is a meme

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:33

>>29
It's not a meme, it's an epic meme!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 11:46

>>30

implying anyone cares

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:00

>>18
Shalom!
Shalom!
Shalom!
Shalolololom!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:03

>>31
You cared enough to reply. Perhaps you think what I'm saying is true?
Don't be surprised if you get banned for acting like a child!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:12

>>33

implying >>31 cares if he gets banned

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:17

>>33
He is not going to get banned, the admin is not a upset retarded autistic, unlike you

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:19

>>35
How do you know?

>>34
If ``he'' doesn't care, why is he still posting? If ``he'' didn't care enough, ``he'' wouldn't even be posting here.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:25

>>36

implying he cares arguing with you

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:26

>>37
``He'' is still posting. That means ``he'' is still arguing.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:28

>>38

implying "posting implies arguing"

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:29

ignoratio elenchi, ignoramus!

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:29

>>25-39
Get a room you fucking faggots

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:33

>>39
How is that post not an argument against what I said in >>38? You seem to love this.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:36

>>42

implying a dismissing post is an argument

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:37

>>43
What is it then?

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:39

Dear >>42-kun, autism is read and looks like you need help
I am here because I would like to inform you that you are getting trolled by a transexual abomination, I would like to request from you not to reply to ``troll'' posts that quote things that have not been said
thank you

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:40

>>45
Sure.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 12:42

>>45
*real
sorry for my mistake

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 13:46

>>1
It's as if Terry A. Davis and the Shawn T. Cooks had a child.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 19:12

>>48
And it was raised by Nikita.

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-24 21:40

He uses AnusBSD
https://github.com/mrdomino?tab=repositories
dwmstatus on an OpenBSD laptop with IP addr, battery status, load avg, and times

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-26 17:05

>>50
AnusBSD
hax my anus

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-26 17:37

>>51
Hax my BSD

Name: Anonymous 2014-06-26 19:44

>>52
Hax my ANU Server.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 12:04

Urbit developer Curtis Yarvin has been disinvited to talk at Strangeloop this year after faggots complained about his political views (which had nothing to do with the talk in any way).

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sl-notes/yarvin.txt
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/05/strange-loop-tech-conference-bans-software-engineer-over-political-views/

Fucking faggots ruining everything.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 12:52

>>54
would put in a system software stack if she got the chance to design one.
she

I would ban this feminist faggot, too.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 13:46

>>55
Curtis is as far as a ``feminist faggot'' as it gets.
He writes political articles under the pseudonym Mencius Moldbug: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.br/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html

Name: Cudder !cXCudderUE 2015-06-07 15:45

>>56
Where is the evidence that they're the same person?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 16:44

>>54
The logic of modern software development: if you have wrong political view, then your programs are wrong.

Had C/C++ been created by Curtis Yarvin, it would have never gained popularity, and everybody would be coding Objective Pascal today.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 16:59

>>56
Actually, there are many kinds of feminists:
- those desiring to push women into positions, they women naturally unfit for.
- those believing that working women would solve overpopulation.
- confused people, who don't understand the nature of women and why they are incapable to do man's work.
- politicians, wanting to gain larger electoral base.
- retards who just worship women and lick their pussies.

For example, consider China, which is the natural enemy of America. It has the agenda of pushing feminists into decision making governmental positions inside of USA. To do that, China seeks help of populist politicians and confuses people, about how women are equal to men. Women also make worse workers, so american economy gets huge handicap, compared to China.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 18:10

>>59
China is really patriarchic, by the way. But in the West, they push feminism? Fuckin A, good job China. Those faggots will believe any lie like "sexism is bad" or "racism is bad".

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 18:22

>>60
China is also very overpopulated, so they will put American land to good use.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 18:24

>>61
Overpopulation of China is a myth. Someone who's recently been to Beijing told me there are actually quite few people there, and population density is lower than in other countries' megapoles.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 20:42

>>62
That's because you can't breathe in Beijing.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 22:35

That's because you can't breath in my anus.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 22:54

>>64
That's because you can't spell, even though it's right there in the post you copied.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 23:43

dubs

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-07 23:49

>>65
How embarrassing.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 3:29

>>56
I'm surprised it took this long to mention it. Curtis Yarvin aka Mencius Moldbug is the half-Jew (father was a Jew, mother was a Shiska) who created the philosophical school of thought known as "Neoreaction."

You know, the same one that became popular on a certain image board, as well as within the whole alt-right scene.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 9:11

Excerpt from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.nl/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html

And what is communism? As a political formula? Perhaps we can define it, with a nice 20th-century social-science jargon edge, as nonempathic altruism. Or for a sharper pejorative edge, callous altruism.

What is callous altruism? Altruism itself is a piece of 20th-century jargon. We could contrast it with the original word for the same thing, obviously too Christian to prosper in our age: charity. When we say charity, of course, we think of empathic altruism.

When we think of charity, we think not just of helping others - but of helping others whom we know and love, for whom we feel a genuine, unforged emotional connection. For whom we feel, in a word, empathy. Understandably, these people tend to be those who are socially close to us. If not people we already know, they are people we would easily befriend if we met them.

Dickens, no stranger to genuine empathy, had a term for nonempathic altruism. He called it telescopic philanthropy. Who is Peter Singer? Mrs. Jellyby, with tenure.

So, for example, in classic Bolshevik communism, who is the revolution for? The workers and peasants. But... in classic Bolshevik communism... who actually makes the revolution? Nobles (Lenin) and Jews (Trotsky), basically. To wit, the groups in Russian society who are in fact most distant - emotionally, culturally, socially - from actual workers and peasants.

Similarly, the most passionate anti-racists in America are all to be found, in early September, at Burning Man. Everyone at Burning Man, with hardly an exception, is highly altruistic toward African-Americans. But, to within an epsilon, there are no African-Americans at Burning Man.

But wait, why is this wrong? What's wrong with nonempathic altruism? Why does it matter to the people being helped if the brains of their helpers genuinely light up in the love lobe, or not? Loved or not, they're still helped - right?

Or are they? How'd that whole Soviet thing work out for the workers and peasants?

Heck, for the last 50 years, one of the central purposes of American political life has been advancing the African-American community. And over the last four decades, what has happened to the African-American community? I'll tell you one thing - in every major city in America, there's a burnt-out feral ghetto which, 50-years ago, was a thriving black business district. On the other hand, there's a street in that ghetto named for Dr. King. So, there's that. And since we mentioned Mrs. Jellyby, what exactly has a century of telescopic philanthropy done for Africa?

Are Gawker and its ilk genuinely interested in bringing women into technology? Do they genuinely like either (a) (other) women, or (b) technology? Because it would sure seem, to the uneducated observer, that the actual effect of their actual actions is to scare women away from programming careers - on the grounds that, if they so much as master MySQL, they will be instantly raped by a pack of Satan-worshipping "brogrammers."

Do you know what women who actually want to help other women learn programming look like? They look like this. Sexist, check. Probably illegal, check. Recognizing that women are different from men in more areas than the chest compartment, check. ("Men's rights" activists, shut the fsck up! If you were real men and not communist pussies, you'd know that no one has any rights, least of all you. Only one thing makes right - that would be, of course, might - and whining that you're taking it in the tail, though taking it in the tail you are, is anything but a way to create that.)

(UC Berkeley when I was a grad student there had an excellent program, very similar, also (in practice) women-only, called the "CS Reentry Program." I was ill-disposed to respect this program and the people in it, but reality quickly convinced me otherwise. It was later done away with, for exactly this reason - communism has to pretend to be gender-neutral. So it can't actually just help women by, you know, helping women. That would involve appreciating women for what they are. Which is obviously illegal in a communist country. Similarly, once while decoding a Victorian book I told my daughter that in "the old days," many girls went to schools where there were no boys. She looked at me as though I'd told her that in the old days, the whole world was made of chocolate.)

Can men be assholes to women? Can women be assholes to men? Well, actually, it's usually men who are assholes and women who are bitches - though not without exceptions. But broadly speaking, can everyone be assholes to everyone else? They can. They are. And if you're genuinely mentoring a younger person, with genuine empathy and a genuine interest in their genuine success, what you say in every case is: life is full of assholes. When someone is an asshole (or a bitch) to you, ignore him and have as little to do with him as possible.)

Once you learn to recognize the distinction between empathic and nonempathic altruism, you'll see it everywhere. Empathic altruism - charity - is simply good. Nonempathic altruism - communism - is simply evil. There's not a whole lot of gray area between good and evil. Evil motivations can certainly, by coincidence, produce good results - but this is an accident, which has little or nothing to do with the supposed "good intentions."

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 9:22

>>69
a grown man wrote this? lol

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 10:24

>>70
He wrote with the LessWrong crowd as his target audience, his goal was to convert some of them to dark side. So yes, it sounds like bad Harry Potter fan-fiction.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 10:57

>>68
The whole loper-os.org community appears to be Jewish.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 14:05

loper-os is a scumbag for using autism as an insult outside of 4chan

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 19:26

>>67
>>68
>>69
thanks OPs, very interesting read
it's good to see that not all programmer/techies are SWJ leftist shit
this is why I like it here, it might be shitty at times but there is always some jewel like this to make it worth reading

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 19:50

>>69
Communism is when Stalin sends you to Gulag to do heavy physical work at harsh conditions - all for free. More generally, communism is when tax-rate is 100% and government takes everything you produce. During communism, government also has complete monopoly over everything, while power is transferred by birth - kids of govt. officials take positions of their parents, procreating mediocrity. No meritocracy shit.

Name: The Optimiser 2015-06-08 19:51

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 19:54

>>76
*Optimizer

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 20:33

>>75
Communism is in practice simply state capitalism. The state owns all means of production, defines all prices, defines all production rates and forbids its citizens to make money via their own businesses. And all of that while purporting to hate capitalism and fight against the evil exploting bourgoisie!

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 20:40

For example, in the Soviet Union there was literally a law against "idleness", i.e. not working at any state-sanctioned job. There was also a law against "speculation" (ie. buying and reselling stuff, like merchants do) and forceful state distribution of young people after they finish education (so after you graduate institute, the state told you where your job would be, e.g. they could send you to some obscure Siberian village to make veterinary operations on cows).

If that is not total, oppressive capitalism, then I don't know what is.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-08 23:51

>>78
That is not capitalism, but totalitarianism - the next step after state capitalism, where state owns just some capital, as opposed to everything.

>>79
in the Soviet Union there was literally a law against "idleness", i.e. not working at any state-sanctioned job.
If person doesn't work for the state, then he is working against the state. At best he just wastes resources or occupies land which can be used by state.

If that is not total, oppressive capitalism, then I don't know what is.
That has nothing to do with the common definition of capitalism.

Capitalism is an economic system and a mode of production in which trade, industries, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned. Such private firms and proprietorships are usually operated for profit, but may be operated as private nonprofit organizations.[1][2] Central characteristics of capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labour and, in some situations, fully competitive markets.[3][4] In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction typically determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged.[5]

The foremost quality of capitalism is private ownership and competition, which is not possible, when one party oppresses all other. Although in most cases government still heavily regulates economy to make profit for government functionaries. I.e. it is illegal to emit private currency, as that would bankrupt Obama or any other leader.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-09 0:07

>>57
I think he gives live conferences under the Moldbug nom de plume, obviously he doesn't wear any paraphernalia on his face, as it isn't exactly a secret identity.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-09 14:59

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-10 15:51

Name: /jewtube/ 2015-06-10 16:49

/jewtube/

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-10 19:33

>>83
Disgusting. But what does it have to do with overpopulation myths?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-10 21:00

>>85
Low population = valuable human life.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-10 21:17

>>71
bad Harry Potter fan-fiction.
u mena Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-11 19:22

>>86
So in all small towns human life is super-valuable?
So in low-density areas like Mongolia or Chukotka the human life is super-valuable? Nice joke, bro.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-11 20:05

The Chinese communists don't value Chinese life, they gladly soaked the country in blood during the Anti-cultural revolution, and have adopted anti-reproduction policies that effectively stifle population growth. At the same time, they perpetrate the overpopulation myth to achieve several goals at once:

1) Larger population means larger army - everyone will believe that the People's Army is fucking huge.
2) Deterring immigration from shitskin countries - most negroes or Vietnamese don't want to go to a country which is already so overcrowded that the government has to forbid people to have children. At the same time, the high-quality immigrants like investors and scientists will not be deterred by that (they get paid enough not to care), and will actually be refreshingly surprised when they see China is not an overcrowded hellhole they believed it would be.
3) More weight in international affairs: UN and the rest have got to respect a country with supposedly 1.5 billion in population.
4) They can pretend their per-capita wages, waste emissions etc are smaller than they really are, thus making them seem more attractive as workforce and less environmentally-hostile.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-11 21:32

>>88
First you have to prove that mongolians are humans and not just savage nomad barbarians.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-11 22:02

>>89
that effectively stifle population growth
Are you retarded? The world is brimming with chinks, this is a desirable effect.
they perpetrate the overpopulation myth
What the fuck. Do you seriously not believe there are trillions of chinks out there?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 16:19

Urbit's author is an obscurantist charlatan. Pay him no heed.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 16:22

>>92
Why should we care who the author is? That would be the biological approach. But /prog/ cares not for biology, it cares for technology.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 16:24

it takes >2GB ram

I was interested until it segfaulted on a modern computer

this is beyond ridiculous. we don't need more bloatshit

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 16:25

>>93
Because it follows that the documentation for Urbit is incomprehensible in an effort to make it seem more worthy of worship. You know, as charlatans do? You can find it on the Internet Archive as he's since "unlaunched" Urbit to try and conceal its wackness.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 16:49

>>95
Then your comment should've been about bad documentation, not an irrelevant politico-biological spit in the face of /prog/. Also bad documentation is not necessarily a reason not to pay heed to a project.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 17:26

>>95
you're a nigger

he released lots of code

his software is shit but your posts are far worse

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 17:35

>>97
You're a nigger. Learn to use spelling and punctuation before ever posting again.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 17:40

>>98
you're a nigger. check my dubs.

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 17:40

>>98
my double dubs, two in a row baby

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 17:42

>>99,100
What are the odds?

Name: Anonymous 2015-06-12 19:16

>>101
{2n+1 ; n ∈ ℤ}

Name: Anonymous 2020-03-22 20:39

they recommended this shit to me once on /g/
how horrifying

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