Because I don't want to get wrist injury. And because the Vim approach with 2+1 modes is so much better than the 1000 different modes shit. And because Emacs can't do the most useful things that Vim can out of the box. And because the shortcuts are so much more intuitive.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 11:51
And because Emacs can't do the most useful things that Vim can out of the box
examle? what is so hard with installing extencions?
I might switch over to Emacs, but not because it's a better text editor - Vim can never be topped in that area - but rather because Emacs is closer to a full-scale IDE, as I hear.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 13:07
Wait, does evil-mode give Emacs modal editing? Like, a normal mode and an insert mode? Cause if not, I'm never learning this Ctrl-Alt-Meta-Ctrl-Shift shit.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 13:14
>>12 Evil-mode has a normal mode and an insert mode, but in buffers where evil-mode is not enabled, Emacs works in its usual non-modal way. Also, evil-mode is probably the most complete Vim emulation ever to exist, but it's still missing a lot, because Vim's command set is just that big.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 13:19
>>13 Missing a command or two is not so bad. Is it possible to enable evil-mode in all buffers?
Vim only works well on QWERTY keyboards. I hope you enjoy your systematic suppression of technically superior layouts, you ass-backwards faggots.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 14:27
>>19 The only keys that depend on the QWERTY layout are hjkl. The other motions usually are a mnemonic of the function, like [d]elete. [w]ord or [e]nd. These don't have anything to do with your keyboard layout.
>>20 These happen to be the most important keys. You can't rebind to other letters either because once you do that, up to four other keys are missing and require a rebind. This makes the mnemonics useless and requires you to reinvent the entire interface because everything is designed around hjkl. To add insult to injury, you can't even use the fucking arrow keys properly because these don't work with compound commands.
Vim is an utter failure on non-US layouts.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 14:46
>>18 You have no right to insult me since you are quoting things that have never been said
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Anonymous2014-06-01 14:55
>>19 How are other layouts "technically superior"? Muscle memory doesn't care about the particular placement of buttons and its relation to any ordering, alphabetic included. The only technically superior layout is the one which any particular person has memorized and gotten used to.
Ergonomic studies also confirm that the advantages of Dvorak are either small or nonexistent. For example, A. Miller and J Thomas, two researchers at the IBM Research Laboratory, writing in the International Journal of Man-Machine Studies, conclude that "no alternative has shown a realistically significant advantage over the QWERTY for general purpose typing." Other studies based on analysis of hand-and-finger motions find differences of only a few percentage points between Dvorak and QWERTY. The consistent finding in ergonomic studies is that the results imply no clear advantage for Dvorak, and certainly no advantage of the magnitude that is so often claimed.
>>30 I was considering switching from Dvorak to QWERTY, now I might consider this. If only I knew whether Colemak reduces effort more or less. So many layouts, I need to cool down... I need time to think.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 16:55
OKAY EMACS-FAGS, CONSIDER YOURSELF WINNING ANOTHER ONE FROM THE VIM CROWD IN THE NEAR FUTURE
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Anonymous2014-06-01 16:57
>>37 The word ``FAGS'' is extrimly offencive to me as a homosexual transmale The word ``EMACS'' is even more offencive to me as someone who can't learn how to use emacs please put trigger warrnings in your posts from now on
>>21 You're right about the hjkl remapping making pretty much everything useless, but what about the arrow keys not working with compound commands? d(down) or <(up) work fine for me.
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Anonymous2014-06-01 18:08
>>19 i'm using evil-mode with colemak input method. way to enjoy issuing commands in qwerty layout. https://github.com/fiocfun/colemak (exploitable) also there is much more intricate hack in melpa repo if you prefer using system-wide colemak layout.
>>41 Weird, I could have sworn it didn't work. After all, that's the reason why I ultimately stopped using Vim. Now, this is good for me because my arrow keys are reasonably close to the home row, but this isn't the case for most people, so a similar problem remains for everyone who doesn't happen to have a setup with good arrow keys.
These happen to be the most important keys requires you to reinvent the entire interface because everything is designed around hjkl
I'm pretty happily using Vim with Colemak, without remapping these keys. In fact I like the position of hjkl keys on Colemak better because the fact I have to use the index finger in unintuitive way acts as a simple deterrent from actually using these movements. If you use hjkl for moving more than 2 characters horizontally or vertically, there is probably a better way to do it.
And if you honestly use arrow keys with Vim your argument instantly loses any credibility with me. IHBT